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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Oct 27, 2023 - #1
With the Vendors section going away, this thread will serve several purposes:
* Reference to my store's URL * New product announcements * Product Suggestions * Product Support Tech by Androda, LLC website link This is my side business / hobby company dedicated toward trying to solve problems with vintage systems. It all started with BlueSCSI, and since then I have branched out into products for the Newton and eMate, the Mac Portable, have recreated some vintage parts and upgrades, and offer a small selection of New Old Stock. Liked by JDW,wottle,splorpand 2 others |
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Nov 3, 2023 - #2
Hardware and Project Updates:
BlueSCSI Desktop Hardware: The updated and more affordable BlueSCSI Desktop 50 Pin design has passed my local testing on a PowerMac 7300, Beige G3, and Mac Portable. It removes the microSD slot and USB-C power connector, but in doing so also cuts the cost enough that prices can be decreased to the usual level. Initiator Mode is still included, and distributors are starting to place orders for the updated model. Upcoming Products: Several more products are on the way, including:
Relaxing end of year? Nope, guess that's not how it works... Liked by Paolo B,splorp,wottleand 2 others |
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wottle Active Tinkerer Fort Mill, SC -------- Joined: Oct 30, 2021 Posts: 841 Likes: 577 |
Nov 3, 2023 - #3
I have replacement Portable batteries I've been testing. One is a 6V lead acid battery inside. One is a LiPo 6v battery. And the final is simply a board with the supercapacitors installed to let it run without an actual battery while plugged in. I do not have the original charger, so I've been using a 7.5v, 1,5A generic charger. It's been working fine, but am I running the risk of frying the hybrid board or other components doing so. I thought the only problem was aftermarket chargers that could supply more than the 1.5A?
I like the idea of the HID hopper. I have a USB to ADB adapter, which is nice, as is the Wombat (since it is bi-directional), but competition in this space is a good thing. Especially if it can be made relatively cheaply. |
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splorp Tinkerer Calgary, Alberta -------- Joined: Oct 31, 2021 Posts: 170 Likes: 152 |
Nov 3, 2023 - #4
Excited about the HIDHopper project, too.
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Nov 4, 2023 - #5
Assuming your power adapter actually has a 1.5 amp current limiter that works properly, you'll be fine. The 1.5 amp current limit is for a few reasons:
The Portable treats the battery as the actual power reservoir, the power adapter at 1.5 amps is just barely enough to run a fully loaded system where the hard drive is already spinning and you're using the floppy continuously. Odd architecture.
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Nov 13, 2023 - #6
The Mac Portable Battery Eliminator is available now, assembled only, in low quantity.
HIDHopper for ADB will hopefully be next, just needed to update the PCBs a bit to handle part clearances. So those PCBs will be ordered soon and then it's a matter of designing printable cases. Liked by JDW |
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ScutBoy Administrator Northfield, MN USA -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 356 Likes: 342 |
Nov 14, 2023 - #7
Done and done!
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Nov 14, 2023 - #8
Parts and boards are now ordered so I can make more of the Battery Eliminator. And a hopefully-production PCB for HIDHopper ADB.
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Nov 15, 2023 - #9
SCSi adapter with blinkenlights is back in stock. Sorry for the delay, didn't notice the "out of stock" notification.
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JDW Administrator Japan -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 2,534 Likes: 1,982 |
Dec 1, 2023 - #10
@Androda
I'm rather impressed with your new products, especially the Portable Battery Eliminator. Wow. Now all your store needs are replacement rubber feet for the Portable, as those crack apart or get torn away over time. Two questions: 1. Have any of your customers tried the Battery Eliminator in a 5126 Backlit version? 2. Also, does your Battery Eliminator also eliminate the need for the 9V battery? Could be I'm mistaken, but I thought the 9V was to preserve PRAM only when disconnecting/changing the main battery. So if there is no main battery (thanks to your device), and if you close the battery cover which affects the microswitch leading to the 9V, then the 9V would never get used, right? Or would you be able to just keep the battery cover off since there is no battery anymore when your product is installed, and then the 9V would get used to preserve PRAM only when the AC Adapter is removed from the wall socket? Or do you just eliminate the 9V entirely and live with the fact your PRAM will be lost every time you unplug from the wall? Sorry, one more question... Your Macintosh Portable Adapter For BlueSCSI V2 requires knowledge of the motherboard revision. Is there a way to find that out via the Bar Code serial number on the bottom of the plastic case, or is it necessary to take the machine completely apart to view the actual motherboard? |
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Dec 1, 2023 - #11
2: The PCB does contain a provision for a 9v battery holder to be soldered on, but I haven't tried it. Supercapacitors have a relatively high rate of charge loss, and I don't know how that drain factor would play into battery life. This is the BT1 solder points to the right of the supercapacitors, where you would solder the + and - (labeled on the PCB) leads from a 9v battery holder. Again, this is currently untested but if there's interest in a PRAM-retaining option I'll check that it works properly. You are correct that the 9v battery in a Portable is basically the PRAM battery. This is due to where the PRAM values are actually stored (not in a super-low-power RTC chip like most Macs), which requires the main 5.2v rail to be powered on all the time. Can't imagine PRAM battery life is all that great to begin with. The Battery Eliminator installation requires that you unplug the original battery harness cable, which totally removes the 9v battery from the circuit. With the Eliminator installed, when you unplug from the wall you have a few minutes of PRAM retention at most (have not tested how long it lasts) as the supercapacitors are slowly drained to power the PRAM and RTC retention. The Battery Eliminator is somewhat targeted to the people that, like me, aren't using their vintage systems all the time. This makes it safe to store away your Portable for a year or more and have it pop right back to life the next time you want to enjoy your vintage system. No lead acid batteries to maintain, and no 9v batteries to cause leaks and damage.
The 2023.10a desktop hardware design had to move the mounting holes around, so the only difference in the adapter kit is the printed bracket. Electrically the adapter and cable are not different. Liked by JDW |
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JDW Administrator Japan -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 2,534 Likes: 1,982 |
Dec 1, 2023 - #12
@Androda
Thank you for the explanation! I just noticed your BSv2 Adapter is out of stock (both Kit and Assembled). Do you know when it will be back in stock? Next... I read through your thread about the Hybrid Module for the non-Backlit Portable. That's yet another amazing product! Is the reason you don't have a backlit version because you don't have a backlit Portable, or because those modules fail less on the Backlit Portable? |
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Dec 1, 2023 - #13
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JDW Administrator Japan -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 2,534 Likes: 1,982 |
Dec 2, 2023 - #14
@Androda
Thank you. I just now did what every single Portable owner on the planet should promptly do... I ordered a fully assembled Portable Battery Eliminator (shipped to a friend who owns the Portable). Fantastic product and engineering. Kudos for having brought it from Concept to Market!
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JDW Administrator Japan -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 2,534 Likes: 1,982 |
Dec 7, 2023 - #15
Well, my friend, Michael, received the Battery Eliminator and got it to power his 5126 backlit model, although he shared the following photo with me to show it displays a Sad Mac error...
[Image: 403612292_339034535495661_3318943783375116786_n.jpg] 0000000E <-- Bus Error? RAM error? 0000FFFF <-- unknown He also says he needed to boot from a floppy in the past in order to get the Conner hard drive to work. I cannot comment on that because I have zero experience with the Macintosh Portable. This is, perhaps, the first person who has tested the 5126 with the Portable Battery Eliminator. @Androda ... Any thoughts?
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Dec 7, 2023 - #16
According to the Sad Mac Error Codes reference, that's a memory error saying all 16 bits are not responding properly. But there are no RAM-related signals present on the modem slot according to the schematic. The only signals I'm using are a ground pin and the 5v power line (5v is an input to the card, not an output from the card). And the backlit portable dev note doesn't mention anything about changes to the modem slot (unlike the RAM slot, which does have a few differences). |
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MICHAENTOSH New Tinkerer -------- Joined: Oct 28, 2021 Posts: 11 Likes: 11 |
Dec 7, 2023 - #17
We installed the Battery eliminator because the battery went dead and the Mac would not start up, or so I thought, this unit to my knowledge has not been recapped so not sure if it's that but this is a error described here...
Macintosh Classic Sad Mac 0000000e / 0000ffff By: Admin On: July 20, 2021 In: Uncategorized I wanted to write about this Macintosh Classic as it stumped me for a bit. We had replaced UH6 which is a LS174 that handles timing for the CAS circuit. When booted, the system just showed a sad Mac with the error code 0000000e. This error means there has been a data bus error. The last four numbers of second row are the 32 bits representing the failed bits. In our case, it's all of the bits. This could be caused by a number of things but generally it is related to the LS174. We verified all of the address lines were present and working. We checked the output pins and they were looking about what we expected. On a whim I checked the ground pin...no beep. Fixing the missing connection got the board working again. I haven't traced to see where the failure is yet but I plan to. Ok I am using a MacEffects Memory card that could be the problem see here... So in finishing is the card damaged or is this needing a recap in order for the card to be seen and available to the motherboard?
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Dec 7, 2023 - #18
It is likely the problems you are experiencing here are related to the lack of capacitor replacement. Even without any power applied to the system, capacitor fluid is very electrolytic/corrosive and likes to creep up the legs of ICs and cause internal shorting. Applying power just makes the capacitor fluid cause damage faster. |
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JDW Administrator Japan -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 2,534 Likes: 1,982 |
Dec 7, 2023 - #19
I have zero experience with the Macintosh Portable, so I don't know the common failure modes. I know about recapping other machines, but I don't know what damage is typically caused on a Mac Portable by running power through the machine while caps are leaking. But it seems you are saying pretty much anything could be fried and permanently damaged on the motherboard if powered in that leaky cap condition? |
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Androda TinkerDifferent Board Secretary 2023 USA, Western -------- Joined: Sep 25, 2021 Posts: 523 Likes: 581 |
Dec 7, 2023 - #20
Overall, using a vintage system without checking the capacitor state is asking for trouble. And on the Portable that trouble is amplified by the oddball power system. Liked by 3lectr1candJDW |
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