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pocketscience Tinkerer Sydney, Australia -------- Joined: Apr 29, 2022 Posts: 261 Likes: 185 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #1
I came across this original software in a box of gear I obtained for other reasons. It purports to speed up numeric operations on machines with a 68882 floating point coprocessor by redirecting SANE (Standard Apple Numeric Environment) operations to the coprocessor. I installed it on my SE/30 and it gave a pretty decent bump to my Speedometer rating.
Stock: QuickSANE enabled: I couldn't find this on the Garden or elsewhere, so disk has been imaged and uploaded to the Garden: https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/quicksane
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Crutch Tinkerer Chicago -------- Joined: Jul 10, 2022 Posts: 293 Likes: 228 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #2
Huh. I kind of assumed that happened by default. (Why wouldn't it?)
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #3
Nice discovery @pocketscience! :) Thank you for uploading the QuickSANE. I will add this to my list of programs for my SE/30.
I have a question, @pocketscience. What benchmark program did you use, as shown in your posted screenshots? |
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #4
@Crutch, QuickSANE was a CDEV panel software developed by Total Systems around 1990. According to the back page of the brochure from Total Systems, it is:
A control panel device (CDEV) that acts as a "traffic manager" routing SANE (Standard Apple Numeric Environment) calls directly to the MC68881/2 coprocessor. The result is that math-intensive operations are executed up to 300% faster once QuickSANE is installed. For Macintosh II, IIx, Ilex, Ilci, and SE/30. 68020/68030/68040 accelerator family, Macintosh Classic, IIsi and LC - Total Systems: : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive68020/68030/68040 accelerator family, Macintosh Classic, IIsi and LC - Total Systems
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bakkus Moderator -------- Joined: Mar 18, 2022 Posts: 110 Likes: 75 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #5
I see that performance comparison leaflet take Plus, the SE, II, IIx, IIcx, IIci and SE/30 with various accelerators and compare them all to the IIfx - but is there a particular reason you couldn't also install QuickSANE on the IIfx?
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #6
That is a good question. I wonder who has a Mac IIfx to try that out? |
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bakkus Moderator -------- Joined: Mar 18, 2022 Posts: 110 Likes: 75 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #7
Any information to if this is for System 6 or 7 or both? |
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pocketscience Tinkerer Sydney, Australia -------- Joined: Apr 29, 2022 Posts: 261 Likes: 185 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #8
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Kai Robinson TinkerDifferent Board President 2023 Worthing, UK -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 1,322 Likes: 1,313 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #9
@JDW this would be good to run on that SpeedCard - force the usage of the FPU!
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #10
Ah, the Speedometer. This one, @pocketscience?
Speedometer 3.x - Macintosh GardenSpeedometer is a benchmarking suite for 68K Macs. Speedometer allows to run benchmarking tests on hardware, such as hard disk, CPU, RAM, etc... and it lets you compare results, show graphs and various hardware information about your old Mac. See also: Speedometer 2.5, Speedometer 4.x
[Image: macintoshgarden.org]
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #11
Yep. I thought of a similar thing. I thought @JDW needs to try this on his fastest spicy SE/30 and Color Classic. :D |
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #12
So, @pocketscience and @Kai Robinson, numerous programs were not written to take advantage of the FPU. Does this QuickSANE make ANY program take advantage of the FPU?
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Kai Robinson TinkerDifferent Board President 2023 Worthing, UK -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 1,322 Likes: 1,313 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #13
Yes, by it's nature - SANE is what all apple apps use to 'math'. This will redirect all calls to that library and direct them to use the FPU to do the math.
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #14
Oooo! Dragging the huge IIfx out of storage would be a chore? Compared to picking up a SE/30 and carrying it with one hand, the IIfx requires a cart? |
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JDW Administrator Japan -------- Joined: Sep 2, 2021 Posts: 2,536 Likes: 1,983 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #15
@pocketscience
I will give that app a try on the Levco SuperMac SpeedCard, which has the optional 68881 FPU, and let everyone know the result soon. Liked by pocketscience,retr01andKai Robinson |
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pocketscience Tinkerer Sydney, Australia -------- Joined: Apr 29, 2022 Posts: 261 Likes: 185 |
Jul 27, 2022 - #16
Very keen to know if that works @JDW. Would likely require the cdev knowing about the 68881 on the card vs the native 68882 on the SE/30 etc.
Patching the trap dispatcher was always fun. It made for a very extensible system. Of course huge potential for breaking lots of stuff if apps assumed they knew what was happening behind a system trap. Liked by retr01 |
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 28, 2022 - #17
So, I looked through the magazines back in the day. In the May 1992 issue of MacUser, I found a review of the NewLife accelerator for the Mac Classic on page 71. NewLife provided a CDEV with user selectable SANE. Hmmm. Now I am hunting for more information. :sneaky:
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 28, 2022 - #18
I found more information about the NewLife Accelerator Control Panel, version 1.05. This person did an excellent review a few years ago in 2019 about the NewLife accelerator and the CDEV. And it is available for download there.
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retr01 Senior Tinkerer Utah, USA -------- Joined: Jun 6, 2022 Posts: 2,474 Likes: 810 |
Jul 28, 2022 - #19
Interesting. Some accelerators have SANE built-in. Others provide a disk with the CDEV, as in the case of Total Systems and NewLife.
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pocketscience Tinkerer Sydney, Australia -------- Joined: Apr 29, 2022 Posts: 261 Likes: 185 |
Jul 28, 2022 - #20
You need software to patch the dispatcher - ie cdev, init etc. QuckSANE was for stock systems utilising the inbuilt coprocessor. Makes sense that NewLife had their own.
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