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David Cook Tinkerer -------- Joined: Jul 20, 2023 Posts: 130 Likes: 172 |
Dec 27, 2024 - #1
I have a number of Quadra 630 computers. Recently, I picked up a spare board that motivated me to take a closer look at some of the differences.
Thus far, I have found three different boards in Quadra/LC 630 series of computers: 820-0548-B (the most common). One double-bank RAM slot. One unpopulated PCB footprint for a ROM. This is not a RAM slot! 820-0548-A. Same as the B board with some bodge resistors. 820-0624-A. Photograph below. This has one double-bank RAM slot (same as earlier boards) but the ROM slot is replaced with a single-bank RAM slot. The ROM version is slightly different as well. Besides the left slot for RAM, compare the three circled areas in the photo above to the three circled areas in the photo below. (The copper heatsink was added by me and is not factory.) Most obviously, the reset button has moved, some chips came from the backside to the front side, and a small expansion slot was added. You may get lucky and get the two-RAM-slot board in late manufactured 630s. It is the same board as used in the LC/Performa 580 series. Or, you can just buy the undesired 580 and use that board in a Quadra 630. It slides right in. The added slot ("External Video Connector Slot") is intriguing at first, as it seems designed to allow the Performa 580 (with its built-in monitor) to produce an additional video output. However, in my testing, it only mirrors the video. I'm not sure why this would be valuable (other than 'presentation' mode). With two monitors connected, the Monitors control panel only shows one monitor. And, the display resolution is controlled by the monitor/adapter you connect to the primary video connector. That is, I chose 832x624 on the primary output but 640x480 on the added output. Yet, both displayed the identical image at 832x624. When I booted with a monitor only connected to the added connector, nothing was displayed although the computer booted normally. If your LC 580's built-on monitor dies, you should be able to get video out on the added connector, as I assume the Mac will still see the internal monitor as connected. The Macintosh LC 580 / Performa 580CD Service Source confirms the mirroring. Does anyone have the "Developer Note" for this model? Video cable 922-1520 works in the slot. Here is a close up of the video PCB. Maybe the Valkyrie video chip supports multiple monitors and just need to be triggered by a different circuit? The 1 MB of DRAM should be enough space for two 832x624 monitors at 256 colors. Main Memory Unlike what is listed in the Wikipedia article and Apple's official specification (and silkscreened on the newer board), you can put a 128MB 72-pin SIMM in the rightmost RAM slot to get 132 MB of RAM (4 MB onboard + 128 MB) for the earlier boards. You can also add a 64MB single-bank 72-pin SIMM to the left slot on the newer board to get up to 196 MB (4 + 128 + 64). This translates to 200,704K (196 * 1024 ). This amount of memory takes about a minute and a half to check at cold boot. Bodges The 820-0548-A board has some very craftfully-placed SMD resistors bodged onto the video memory. That's a 0-ohm (i.e. wire) resistor from Vcc leading to a pair of 100 ohm resistors leading to some input(?) pins. So, strong pullups on a couple of pins. The next bodge is a little more frightening. I noticed that most of the earlier boards have a pair of 0-ohm SMD resistors on GC3. One board did not. What in the world? What kind of magically analog-ground-plain nonsense is this? On the newer board, it seems like they cut off that end of the ground plain? Ready for the alarming secret? They did NOT cut off the pad above. The metal prongs have shifted forward. Looking at the bottom of the board, because the ground contact spring is not soldered in place, it can shift forward and back and make contact with a component, trace, or pad. In the case of the earlier (standard) Quadra 630 boards, R151 is apparently located in the no-go zone. Therefore, the two 0-ohm bodge resistors are installed to physically stop the ground contact from being able to shift far enough to cause a short. Ooops! The newer board design moved components away from this location. I know other people have had strange experiences with the ground-contact springs, such as lack of playing sound in the Color Classic. But, maybe there are other boards where Apple made layout mistakes in not respecting the shifting springs? It might be worth it for the community to look. Non-Factory Bodge The last interesting thing is a standalone board on bought on eBay. The 68040 had a heatsink. But, the chip socket does not have the notches for a heatsink to attach. It appears that a fellow enthusiast decided to upgrade from a 68LC040 to a full 68040. Yet, they only had a chip rated for 25 MHz. So, they 'secured' the heatsink with a lot of paste. By the way, the Quadra 630 / Performa 580 boards support overclocking to 40 MHz. See: I tried using the software overclock control panel / extension that have been floating around. But it only targets the 475-type boards. - David Liked by JDW,dgveedubbus89,rikerjoeand 3 others |
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phipli Tinkerer -------- Joined: Sep 23, 2021 Posts: 309 Likes: 215 |
Dec 29, 2024 - #2
The second RAM slot only takes single bank SIMMs because the other bank is used for onboard RAM, so it will generally take... 4, 16 or 64MB SIMMs, giving you a total of 196MB of RAM. Edit - sorry, as you said.
The same cable works in everything from the 630 (with the 580 style logic board only) through to the TAM, via the 6200, 6300, 6400 and 6500, plus weird things like the 4400 and even the 7200 and 8200. Plus all the 5**/* equivalents where applicable.
The issue is that Apple Supported and "Works" aren't the same thing. People get muddled and quote what Apple tested prior to release and confirmed working, as the definitive values. One of the worst instances is the LC 475 - officially it supports 36MB... but will take a 128MB SIMM for 132. That's like, a 300% increase :ROFLMAO: (or 400% if you look at it like that). I tried to document some of the real values here : https://elephantandchicken.co.uk/stuffandnonsense/?p=2439
Its perfectly do-able - you'd just want to cross reference the Quadra 605 schematic and the arrangement on a standard 630. Yes, you can bump the 580 type to 40MHz, I was wrong.
I've tried it on a 6200 and it didn't work, so I never actually got around to it and tested on a stock 630 (mine are all overclocked and I couldn't remember the overclocked gestalt when I was writing the list). Sorry for the rambling reply :) Liked by David Cook,dgveedubbus89andbakkus |
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phipli Tinkerer -------- Joined: Sep 23, 2021 Posts: 309 Likes: 215 |
Dec 29, 2024 - #3
Hum, and just to collect info in one place. Here is a few more ramblings about upgradability :
The Performa 630 family have quite a lot of expansion slots. As well as an IDE (great for Compact Flash disks) hard disk and SCSI CD ROM bay (not always fitted from factory) they also have...
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Oelmuvun New Tinkerer -------- Joined: Oct 23, 2024 Posts: 7 Likes: 5 |
Dec 29, 2024 - #4
I don't have that 580 to reference anymore, but I do have a 630(one RAM slot) and 631 (two RAM slots). |
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phipli Tinkerer -------- Joined: Sep 23, 2021 Posts: 309 Likes: 215 |
Dec 29, 2024 - #5
A DOS Compatibility setup for anyone interested : This poor machine has had a rough life. It was struck by lightning, and then left outside in the rain... all before I got my hands on it. The negative voltage rail was dead. It had shorted and killed the regulator after the lightning vaporised half the modem serial port and tried to take some of the DOS sound card with it. Performa 630 DOS - No AudioHello folks! I've been tidying up a Performa 630 DOS Compatible that was found at a dump a good few years ago, it has some corrosion damage due to being left outside (rust on ports, couple of corroded pins on the processor, some relatively minor blemishes here and there, plus it looks like the...
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phipli Tinkerer -------- Joined: Sep 23, 2021 Posts: 309 Likes: 215 |
Jan 16, 2025 - #6
The resistors are on the bottom of the 630 style board, and on the top of the 580 style board. Basically I'd gone looking in the same place and found only one of the four resistor footprints. |
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Trash80toG4 Active Tinkerer Bermuda Triangle, NC USA -------- Joined: Apr 1, 2022 Posts: 1,131 Likes: 329 |
Jan 17, 2025 - #7
Don't know the switchover date, but by introduction of the 6360/6400/5400 Alchemy generation the backplane opening had been switched over to PCI card support as in the DOS version pic @phipli posted above. That makes it easy to spot late production boards, even in external only pics on eBay.
I've got a soft spot for the Q630, got it brand new at first release along with cards meant for dealer installation at Tekserve. It was the rug rat's bedroom AV Unit/HomeWorkStation and my late night graphics machine while he was asleep. Apple dropped long running Portrait support in the Q630, probably due to potential blockage of the cooling fan. |
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David Cook Tinkerer -------- Joined: Jul 20, 2023 Posts: 130 Likes: 172 |
Mar 17, 2025 - #8
I can confirm the Power Macintosh 4400 can indeed reach 160 MB of RAM.
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David Cook Tinkerer -------- Joined: Jul 20, 2023 Posts: 130 Likes: 172 |
Mar 17, 2025 - #9
Here's a treat for @daanvdl if he hasn't already seen it. The Interware GrandVimage 17DU LC slot video card has a connector that installs in the video slot.
This enables a variety of choices for monitor output. Going left-to-right and then the second row: 1. Disable the internal monitor and just output to an external monitor using the Vimage card. 2. Dual monitor. 3. Display both internal and Vimage video on the internal monitor. 4. Disable the Vimage card and just use the internal monitor. Here is a close up of the video slot connector. Note the cut traces and bodge resistor. Back side with bodge capacitor and flux that has not been cleaned.
Liked by JDW |
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David Cook Tinkerer -------- Joined: Jul 20, 2023 Posts: 130 Likes: 172 |
Mar 17, 2025 - #10
Photos of the GrandVimage 17DU card. Bodge crystal and bodge diode.
Nice choice of resolutions. 80 MHz clock and 1.5 MB of VRAM.
Liked by JDWandNitram78 |
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David Cook Tinkerer -------- Joined: Jul 20, 2023 Posts: 130 Likes: 172 |
Mar 17, 2025 - #11
A short update: I tried this video mode. I thought it was going to be some weird split screen or require a toggle key. The Vimage card is set to the same resolution as the internal video. When you scroll the mouse cursor to the side of the internal video screen, the image switches to where the Vimage monitor would have been located. For example, imagine that you had the second monitor (Vimage) to the right of the primary monitor. When the mouse moves just off the right side of the primary monitor, the video image switches to the Vimage card and cursor jumps to the far left, as though you had just turned your head to follow it to the second monitor. It is a cool effect that works pretty seamlessly. |
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Trash80toG4 Active Tinkerer Bermuda Triangle, NC USA -------- Joined: Apr 1, 2022 Posts: 1,131 Likes: 329 |
Mar 17, 2025 - #12
Very interesting, reminiscent of Virtual Desktop features of early VidCards supporting far higher resolutions than their RAMDAC and contemporary displays could support. What's the highest resolution that card can support on its external connector?
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David Cook Tinkerer -------- Joined: Jul 20, 2023 Posts: 130 Likes: 172 |
Mar 18, 2025 - #13
1152x870 is the best I ran across. However, with 1.5 MB of VRAM, I would think it could do more at 8-bit color. |
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Trash80toG4 Active Tinkerer Bermuda Triangle, NC USA -------- Joined: Apr 1, 2022 Posts: 1,131 Likes: 329 |
Mar 18, 2025 - #14
A Contemporary 21" CRT sitting center stage beside a 5x00 would make a very nice setup. ;)
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croissantking Tinkerer -------- Joined: Feb 7, 2023 Posts: 108 Likes: 51 |
Mar 18, 2025 - #15
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David Cook Tinkerer -------- Joined: Jul 20, 2023 Posts: 130 Likes: 172 |
Mar 18, 2025 - #16
I saw that. :p Ebay only has the 'J' package. It looks like this needs the 'TR' package. "TC528257TR" I guess I could get a quote through Octopart |
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phipli Tinkerer -------- Joined: Sep 23, 2021 Posts: 309 Likes: 215 |
Mar 19, 2025 - #17
I'd like to get a 4400 some time, just because of their weird-ness. I keep being tempted by bare boards on eBay. :) |
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